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That's one of the things I said specifically that I am not looking for. Perhaps there are other books of his that are not space opera.<BR/><BR/><I>"Wasn't it so much easier to find stuff we loved when we were kids?"</I> It's not me that's changed, but SF. Until the 1960s, it was to be part of the definition of SF that the "novum" was scientifically plausible (to contemporary readers). An author earned more plaudits the more inventive they were within what was scientifically plausible, whereas if they failed on the plausibility point, that was a serious flaw. Unfortunately, this idea seems to have died, and increasingly since the late 1960s, science fiction ignores science, and has become just another genre, specifically, a <I>style</I> of fantasy. Science fiction has become, in the hands of most writers, nothing more than an arsenal of convenient tropes that licence certain kinds of fantasy.<BR/><BR/>It's easy to imagine weird worlds (especially if you rely on borrowed tropes and schemes). It is hard to imagine weird worlds that are scientifically plausible, and harder still to imagine weird worlds that are compellingly plausible as worlds we might find ourselves living in a few decades in the future. I can't blame writers for not trying, but I can mourn the scarcity of efforts.Rebecca Neckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06743873829550414490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17827759.post-38755934372769913922008-05-29T23:25:00.000-04:002008-05-29T23:25:00.000-04:00Thanks for the comments. Have you tried Vinge, Str...Thanks for the comments. Have you tried Vinge, Stross, Doctorow or MacLeod? They may be what you're looking for. <BR/><BR/>There are loads of speculative stories that aren't really Science Fiction, that's the nature of the diverse field. We can still find plenty of good stuff out there. We just need to look a little harder, past the best-selling and most popular. It's there, I know. Wasn't it so much easier to find stuff we loved when we were kids?Matthew Sanborn Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14602360310073783377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17827759.post-20051845398064676772008-05-29T20:23:00.000-04:002008-05-29T20:23:00.000-04:00I rather agree with codemonkey. Sword-and-sorcery ...I rather agree with codemonkey. Sword-and-sorcery fantasy has been usurping science fiction's corner of the bookshops, and even most SF anthologies seem to contain at least 50% fantasy. Meanwhile, most SF that's not actually <I>fantasy</I> seems to be set in the present, or even in the past (sometimes the past of cold war spy fiction and hardboiled detective stories, sometimes the Vietnam War or WWII, sometimes the past of warring medieval kingdoms -- and now we have steampunk, with its nostalgia for the Victorian era), but with the added silliness of flying cars (which have been technically possible for a long time, but have no realistic market niche), the pyrotechnics of "blast" guns, and the impossible nonsense of intergalactic empires. These elements are nominally sci-fi, but they're just there for the sake of bigger bangs. To me, these things add nothing but a rather pointless layer of implausibility, and the stories that employ them would be equally good (or bad) without them. The other thing that crops up in far to much SF for my liking is "psionics", and especially breeds of people who have an innate talent for it. Grrr. If people want to write mystical fiction, why not be upfront about it, instead of dressing it up as sci-fi? <BR/><BR/>You say "it is not the job of science fiction writers to predict the future". I don't care what anyone thinks the <I>job</I> of science fiction writers is, I just wish I could find science fiction writers who were seriously interested in imagining credible high-tech futures in which to sett their fictions. I'd be more than happy for the rest -- those who write nostalgic space opera, psionics fiction, steampunk, and so on -- to go on doing their job, whatever that may be, while I continue to do my best to avoid them and all their tropes, if only I could find the <I>future</I> science fiction that I've been looking for these past several years.Rebecca Neckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06743873829550414490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17827759.post-70909049539825578892008-02-24T17:57:00.000-05:002008-02-24T17:57:00.000-05:00I allowed your comment. It was well written and a...I allowed your comment. It was well written and a worthy argument. I appreciate you taking the time. I Didn't realize that this was such a touchy subject with people.<BR/><BR/>I would agree that Hollywood lacks imagination and is rehashing old ideas because the general public has a hard time grasping most of what is going on in the world of science and technology. This lack of understanding and the increasing advancements further alienates Science Fiction and makes its audience smaller still. I do believe that Science Fiction is a driver of future technologies. Scientists and Engineers often state that they chose their fields because of the stories they read as children and the movies and shows they watched.<BR/><BR/>I would be interested in knowing some of the great modern science fiction of which you speak that is not dealing with old re-used ideas or is not dealing with ideas of humans merging with the technology. I haven't read your stories yet, so maybe some of that is here on your site. I will start reading your stories and see if I can learn something new from them.Code Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17849726082045515869noreply@blogger.com